Elliot Rodger, ex-PUA, popular member of the PUA-Hate forum turned mass-killer
In the seduction community, we have a popular acronym-term to describe most men in the western hemisphere: AFC [Average Frustrated Chump]. Being sexually frustrated ties into this.
The following post [in red font] was put together via Facebook by the seduction guru, Alan Roger Currie aka Mode One.
I pretty much agree with Alan’s take on what propelled Elliot Rodger, the Santa Barbara shooter, to go on a drive-by, which left 6 women dead on the 23 rd. of May, 2014 (Friday).
Personally, I was once a member of the PUA-Hate forum not long ago, but my account was blocked due to the fact that…well- PUA-Hate’s members hate PUA’s.
Ironically though, in spite of the name “PUA-Hate”, 99.9% of the guys on that forum are ex-PUA’s, still practicing PUA’s or wannabe PUA’s, who’d became frustrated at not getting laid through seduction/pickup, hence the reason PUA-Hate forum was created.
Elliot Rodger, the UC Santa Barbara student, was one such PUA who couldn’t get laid, coupled with the fact that he was still a virgin at the age of 22 and hadn’t kissed a girl in his life [according to what he’d said in his last video prior to the killings]. His manifesto was littered with sexually frustrated diatribe as to why he couldn’t get any woman to pay him an ounce of attention.
It’s a very small world in many ways in that I’m familiar with Elliot as a forum member of PUA-Hate with whom I’d interacted with, or argued with I should say, on previous threads on how to attract women.
Hence it’s ironic to see someone whom you’d communicated with previously, materialize into an infamous figure over night by mass killing some innocent people.
Ok, the following is Alan Roger Currie’s brief take on this…100% of which I agree with.
Alan Roger Currie, seduction guru
“Since I have already received dozens of Email messages and Facebook inbox messages, I will offer some brief words on Elliot Rodger and the unfortunate murder spree that took place in Santa Barbara.
When women read Chapter 5 of my book, “Mode One” (the chapter on ‘Mode Four’ Behavior – The Misogynistic Revenge Seekers), some of them said, “Alan … it isn’t THAT serious, is it?” Some men said, “Aren’t you being a wee bit melodramatic with that chapter? Aren’t you guilty of fear-mongering?”
Now … after George Sodini murdered women in an LA Fitness in 2009, and just recently, Rodger murdered five or six women in Santa Barbara, people want to say, “Damn Alan … you were SO RIGHT. I remember when you posted on PUAhate.com predicting scenarios like this. You talked about this type of behavior in your chapter about Mode Four Behavior” YOU DAMN RIGHT I DID. Women are dead now, so people are starting to wake the fu** up.
I am telling you here and now: There are a lot of young “soon-to-be Jack the Ripper” types brewing in society and a number of “soon-to-be Ted Bundy” types coming up in society right now, and it is not anything to be taken lightly.
Young men between 15 and 35 are romantically frustrated, sexually frustrated, they feel like they have been ignored, rejected, and disrespected by women … and they are not just whining and complaining about it. I refer to these types as “The Frustrated Nice Guys.” After playing the role of the ‘well-mannered nice guy’ and not experiencing any romantic success from it, they hit an emotional and egotistical downward spiral into what I refer to as the “Mode Four” Zone.
At first, they simply whine and complain about women (on sites such as PUAhate.com), but then they are starting to grab knives, shot guns, and other weapons, and they set out to KILL the women of interest who they feel rejected them unfairly.
And I discussed this as far back as 1990 … and on a number of internet message boards as far back as 2002 or 2003. Some treated me like a sensationalist who was trying to drum up book sales. Now they say, “Sh*t JUST GOT REAL. AGAIN.” It got real a long time ago . . .”
Elliot Rodger’s PUA-Hate profile
Well said Alan Roger!
I’m definitely not trying to excuse anything here, but when you listen to mainstream-internet sources say that the guy was racist; I totally disagree with that! A passage in this linked article from a mainstream source, tried to portray this as though Elliot Rodger hated blacks and Indians because of the following statements:
“I passed by this restaurant and I saw this black guy chilling with 4 hot white girls. He didn’t even look good. Then later on in the day I was shopping at Trader Joe’s and saw an Indian guy with 2 above average White Girls”!!!
That’s racist or merely envious that he wasn’t able to get this sort of action!!!?
What Elliot Rodger was getting at, is his frustration as to why black guys and Indian guys could interracially date, while he as another so-called minority, wasn’t fortunate at all to date (white) women as a so-called minority. That is basically what he meant. He wasn’t racist. He literally felt that he was unfairly excluded from the interracial-dating pool while other so-called minorities were dating women of other races.
If you were a handsome guy and see other women flocking towards guys who don’t seem as attractive, when the media and Hollywood has been pumping shit into your brains that looks matter; wouldn’t that drive you nuts as a good-looking man who still couldn’t get laid, while unattractive men were slaying pussy!?
The mainstream-dating market and the western media are to be liable for such atrocities. And to a lesser extent; women are to be held accountable in the court of public opinion also.
This is why the PUA community exists in the first place; to curb and counter the bullshit of the media and shallow-mindedness of most women, who are quick to reject and banish men due to superficial reasons.
This tragedy also squashes the myth that looks and money matter. Elliot Rodger had money (his father is a well-known director of The Hunger Games) and he was NOT bad looking!
Elliot Rodger did try Pickup/Seduction to get some Game in order to meet and date women…and get laid (he was a 22 year old virgin)…to no avail.
His failure to become good at Pickup doesn’t speak bad of Pickup, but just that most men will not be able to get over the barriers of inhibitions and self-doubt when it comes to getting laid.
That was his problem and sticking point which most of us have.
It’s for this reason, Elliot Rodger became disgruntled with the PUA community and decided to become an anti-PUA PUA through the PUA-Hate forum.
For the record; every guy over at PUA-Hate subscribes to Pickup/Seduction. It’s just that they are disgruntled and frustrated and feel as though they’d been bamboozled by PUA coaches and instructors, hence their anti-PUA rhetoric. But all of them subscribe to Pickup and do practice it.
Although it’s an anti-PUA forum, lots of mainstream-seduction Pickup coaches have signed up to the forum over the years, primarily in order to further educate these sexually frustrated guys in the art of getting laid. Just as I was a member [now banned], others in the community such as Alan Roger Currie, Aaron Sleazy, Squatting Cassanova and GLL has been members at some point in order to help these disgruntled PUA’s over at PUA-Hate.
I was so liked over there at 1 point (in spite of being a PUA advocate), they’d actually featured quite a number of posts of mines which created interesting discussions on PUA politics and game in general. But then they veered off into ranting by labeling me a scam artist in the following post on their site:
Is Socialkenny and GLL the same person = scam?
Back in 2011, they’d actually done a review of Alan Roger’s book, Mode One, but as expected, they deemed it to be another seduction rip-off product:
Does Mode One totally suck?
On a related note, I’d like to say that actual scammy and shady Pickup-marketing characters are also to be blamed for the creation of guys like Elliot Rodger. Scamming men into wasting money on products on how to get laid, isn’t fucking cool! This is the reason PUA-Hate exists in the first place; a conglomerate of sexually frustrated PUA’s who felt that they were scammed out of their money by gurus and seduction coaches yet still cannot get laid. With this reality, we in this community have also got to out the known scam-artists who have infiltrated our community in order to make money and not help guys get laid.
It’d gotten so bad over there that members of that forum (PUA-Hate) had coined a term to describe themselves and their situation: “Incels”, involuntary celibate.
Elliot Rodger also had a PUA blog which eerily features only 1 post: Lonely in Santa Barbara.
This goes to highlight the sad reality of lots of seemingly good-looking and sane men in America, who are driven to heinous acts due to romantic and sexual deprivation.
The more I think about it, this was a really sad and unfortunate situation for all.
This guys was clearly lonely due to no fault of his own, as the title of his blog defines.
How many young and old men in America are lonely today and are liable of flying off the hinges tomorrow to take some women with them?
This is why Pickup exists; to save guys like Elliot Rodger from doing the unthinkable…which was too late in his case.
The PUA community didn’t cause this guy to kill. He sought out the PUA community in the first place in order to avoid doing something crazy. Unfortunately for him; he wasn’t able to internalize what we teach as seduction.
I could’ve been an Elliot Rodger had I not found the seduction community years ago and learned what it takes to attract women and get laid.
His hatred of women stemmed from years of being rejected by women. I was once in that boat as 95% of us who get into pickup.
However, the mainstream seems to blame the Pick-Up Artists for this tragedy.
Furthermore, this was just another sad case of nice guys finishing last, as Elliot was a “nice guy” who felt cheated out of dating since women in his immediate surroundings were flocking to the badboy type. So most men on the globe can relate to what Elliot Rodger felt and how he felt since most of us live through it. Me being a former nice guy who got shitted on by women for years; I can relate and I can also understand why seeing women constantly flocking to asshole and jerks can make an average nice guy hate women and abhor their very existence due to the hypocrisy of women!
He just couldn’t fathom why women would constantly reject him: he was wealthy, handsome, drove expensive cars, educated, a “nice guy”, etc.
Elliot Rodger in the same BMW with which he did the drive-by
At the end of the day, I would hope that women finally realize how difficult the dating and sex market is for most men [95% of us in the western hemisphere]. The average girl, no matter how ugly, has the option to instant sex. The average man, no matter how handsome or how rich, will still have to scratch and snitch and pray just to break his virginity ot to get sex on a regular basis.
Other members of the PUA community, good friends of mines, have recently chimed in on the tragedy.
*I could’ve been Elliot Roger by Mike Chief
*Elliot Rodger proves the need for Pickup by The Jester
*No one would’ve died if PUA-Hate killer learned game properly by Roosh V
*Could Pickup Artists have stopped Elliot Roger’s rampage? by Ronnnie Libra
Mainstream internet posts:
*The Pick-Up Artist Community’s predictable horrible response to a mass murder by Slate Magazine
*Online forum for sexually frustrated men reacts to news that mass shooter may be one of their own by The Business Insider
*Elliott Rodger’s hatred for women
*Disturbing internet footprint of Santa Barbara shooter Elliot Rodger by Forbes
*Behind the sexist ideology of a mass murderer by Think Progress
*Angry underground world of failed pickup artists by Jezebel
You can also download a past podcast episode of the JTR PUA podcast show out of Southern California, which featured members of PUA-Hate such as the infamous Johnny, who explained why PUA-Hate hates PUA gurus and other such sentiments. It gives you a greater sense into the psyche of guys like Elliot Rodger.
Download JTR PUA podcast show episode #52 featuring PUA-Hate members of Southern California